After response to my long laundry list of file conversion in the sticky thread, I couldn't program the tec. Tech support said to put anything but a 0 in the unused A/F table columns (I don't use the last 3 columns and the conversion put 0s in the buckets). It then programmed.

On advice from the laundry list response about the MAP sensor routines having changed I left the TOG and IOT as the conversion process left them. The CR pegged on + and ran a lean conditon. So the lowered TOG and IOT by the converions routines are not quite ready for prime time.

There is not AutoTune on my Tools menu, so I guess that feature has been deleted. Edit 6/27, I found a VE Autotune under another menu item called tools above the VE tabe, not the main menu Tools.. Havent used it yet, maybe tomorrow.

Data logging worked ok, but can't see much on the replay of a log, like the WinTunr3.5.6 I usually look at about 6 graphs at once off line and the WT4 graphs are puny except for the one in the big window. I don't see where the capture speed can be changed anymore. The entire session is displayed all at once, and find how to zoom into a sction. 3.5.6 did not compress the graph. Edit 6-27. been staring at the replay screen and making more use of it. Learning curve, I guess.

IAC dosn't work correctly now, cycles full open to closed on light throttle and creates a lot of surging in traffic while slowing and takes forever to close on decel. Didn't make any changes to the settings from WT3, but the IAC sure operates differently. Edit 6-17 reset the TPS parameters and the IAC settled down.

A nit pick, menu Tools lists Staging Stable, Spelling error. The program display window is bigger than the monitor, should automatically fill whatever screen there is on the computer, To see the bottom need to scroll up and loose the top of the screen.

The program can't find the help files even though they are in the folder where the install placed them.

The program can't remember where the calibration files are at if they are not in the default location, like 3.5.6 could.

Data log file format has changed, Dat Log Lap program no longer reads the file. Data Lap is a super program for WT3 files.

I only hope I don't get depressed with having to reprogram and revert back to the other un converted unit. Edit 6-27, giving it a go some more, I think I am just the oddball.

Holey smoke that does not sound good.
Hope I wont be sorry for changing I just got my tune nailed down. Hope there is a simple fix.

The conversion of the MAP sensor was a mathematical change. I can't make the math any better. I have already said that some have it working right off, other have needed tweaking. But the conversion isn't going to get any better. Believe me, if it weren't there it would be far worse. The injectors work at a higher resolution, the sensors are read at a higher resolution and the MAP sensor specifically is read at a hgiher rate. All of these things amoung others can contribute to the change in operation, and none of it can be accounted for in the conversion because it is highly dependand on the specific scenario.

Datalog Lab does read WinTEC4 files. I'm going to give credit to slowMX5 on this one. He got a TECgt to upgrade his TEC3 some time ago and wanted it working with Datalog Lab working with the new unit and pushed to get us to make it happen. As of last August, Datalog Lab works with the WinTEC4 datalogs which are standardized for all units. If WinTEC4 made the log, Datalog Lab can read it. Just make sure you have a new enough version. Might need to contact the developer of Datalog Lab to make sure you get everything you need.

I have the latest version of DataLog lab (as of last nite on their website) and it doesn't read the file. The software provided with the converted Tec3 made the file and DataLog Lab program responds with a message that it's not a Tec3 file. Further, the opening screen of DataLog Lab's website says a version for the tecgt is in beta test. So I gotta correct Jon's statement that DataLog Lab will read it. The version I have is legit and from DataLog Lab (I'm a registered user of DataLog Lab, not a freeloader). I sent a short data log to DataLog Lab but have no response. As of last nite, it's a no go and if it isn't downloadable for the public on DataLog Lab's site, then it is not for public dissemination.

You're not trying to open a TEC3 datalog file. You need to try to open a WinTEC4 datalog file. They are not the same. WinTEC4 support was added as a plugin or something like that. I haven't looked at it in nearly a year so I can't remember what needs to heppen to make it work. I'll see if I can figure it out, but try emailing the developer. The support IS available.

So here is a clip from DataLog Lab site today:

The following enhancements are already pencilled in for up coming release:

Universal Data Log Definition File for Electromotive TECgt (once it has finished beta testing).


What can I say!

DataLog Lab refers to WinTec3D. What is that? If it exists, where do we find it?

DataLogLab definitely works with wintec4 v4.8.20 logs - I've been using it today.

If you first use DataLog Lab with a Tec3 and register it as a Tec3 application license, then you will be stuck. The TecGt definition file will not work with it. It needs to be a Universal application license. There is a lot more to it than simply saying it works. Depending on your circumstances when you registered the software, it can or cannot work. So for those with a Datalog Lab registered for your Tec3, good luck!

If the above posts are reviewed, those saying it works all started with a TecGt using DataLog lab, not converting their Tec3 to use WinTec4. Undoubtedly, those starting with a TecGt registered their copy of DataLog Lab as a Universal license, of course not at a Tec3.

You require a TECgt datalog definition for winTEC4 to work with DLL which is available if you email DLL support. There maybe a charge for adding the definition or not. I don't know.

Read my above post again. If the program is licensed as a Tec3, the tecgt file WON'T work. I wouldn't have said what I did above if I didn't have the def file. (I have another copy on another computer licensed as a Universal file and it works).

My post is intended to inform those who, while they were using WinTec 3.5.6 with a Tec3, and licensed a copy of DataLog Lab as a Tec3, will have to work something else out if they upgrade the Tec3 to use Wintec4 because you can't load the TecGT data file with the program licensed for a Tec3 even if you have the Tecgt def file, the drop down to load a file will only accept a Tec3 file.

This discussion is a bit off the subject of the WinTec4 but it is my findings when converting a Tec3 to use WinTec4.

little off here but what are the benefits of using datalog.

DataLog Lab is a log graphing and examination of the log program. There are a lot of features that you need to work with to see if it is something that will help you. You can greatly zoom in on a section of a log with only those parameters you select as well as other things to examine. It has a 30 day trial full featured, not crippled.

For wintec4 the file definition is called TECgt, whether it is for a TEC3 running wintec4 or a TECgt. Perhaps it should be called wintec4 definition file. It won't work with the old TEC3 licence as that currently expects a datalog in a format compatible with the wintec3 def file. As you say those with a TEC3 licence need a universal licence, obtainable from DLL support, and a copy of the TECgt (aka wintec4) def file. Easy to sort.

Just for information.

Glenn did not know that wintec4 had gone live on the TEC3. He'll update the site soon. At the moment the TECgt definition file (needed for anyone running wintec4, TECgt or TEC3) does not download with the package. I have a copy for anyone that wants to try out DLL with wintec4.

I'd like to take a look at it... trinitytooling@pixius.net

Thanks