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 Post subject: Latest Tune : 2003 Mach I with Headers & Stack FI
PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 5:07 pm 
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Here's the latest tune of our Factory Five Cobra we built. It uses a 2003 Mach I engine and trans (all aluminum block & heads 4.6 L, DOHC, 4 valves/cylinder). We put stack fuel injection and Hooker 4 in to 4 headers on it.

Check out the build here: http://stanps4.homedns.org/ffrbuild

Download my latest tune, here http://stanps4.homedns.org/ffrbuild/CurrentDOHC.zip (please note that this tune has not been verified by a wideband).

Any tips or hints would be greatly appreciated!


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:39 pm 
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Updated!

I added timing to the cruise area, as well as pulling some fuel in the steady speed areas and slight decel. When completely off the throttle the decel fuel cut comes in to play.

Always looking for advise and input. So bring it, if you got any...


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:22 pm 
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UPDATED!

I've pulled fuel at the cruising intersection of rpm and kPa's, and bumped the timing WAY up (without detonation of course). With combined city and highway driving I just got 32 mpg. I expect to get 35 or 36 mpg on highway driving alone.

And the power is incredible! I need to get to the dyno (with a wideband) so I can verify the tune and get the full throttle stuff taken care of. I think it's also a little rich above 3000 rpm's, but I don't have much of a chance to get up that high and hold it, and mess with the computer. :)

Please note that this ALL tuned by seat of the pants and by ear. Curious to hear feedback on the fuel and ignition curves, if anyone has feedback.

Stan :)


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 10:18 am 
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stanps,
You've got to love the milage with the current gas prices.

It would be very helpful for anyone trying to learn how to street tune if you did a simple step-by-step - i.e.:

used wizard with these settings and it calculated these
added timing to the cruise area, as well as pulling some fuel in the steady speed areas and slight decel like this
pulled fuel at the cruising intersection of rpm and kPa's, and bumped the timing WAY up like this

Of course with screen shots.

Thanks


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 6:39 pm 
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Okay, first off...I miscalculated the mpg. It seems that the gas pump kept kicking off when it wasn't actually full, so I when I topped it off, it wasn't ACTUALLY "topped". :| However I AM getting 23 - 25 mpg. It's okay....the fun factor WAY outweighs the so-so mileage.

As for the step by step; I'm not sure I or this tune is qualified yet, to used as a tutorial. I've yet to verify this tune using an O2. However, once I do...I'll be sure to post it with lots of pics. Deal? :)

Stan


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:57 am 
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Okay...I'm gearing up to get this O2 thing knocked out. Also remember that my engine is NA, so I get more forgiveness when it comes to a lean condition. Anyway, my process was as follows:

I was fortunate enough to have someone do a full throttle tune, so I had good numbers for the top of the curve. With that in hand I created a file from scratch (so as not to mess with the original file) using a TOG that gave me the same numbers at 100 kPa as the original.

Then using the TEC-GT Users Guide PDF file, I set MAT Fuel Enrichments according to what the text suggests (on page 74) "...at -40F, air is 25% denser than at 70F." So I set the MAT to smoothly curve from +25% at -40C (-40F) to 0% at 70F (21C), like so:

-40 = 40
-30 = 34
-20 = 27
-10 = 21
0 = 14
10 = 7
20 = 0

...then made a smooth curve past 0, like so:

30 = 0
40 = -5
50 = -10
60 = -15
You'll notice that I a) incremented slower once passing 0 and b) carried -15 all the way up to 150C....mainly 'cuz I'm uh-skeered to go any leaner any faster. :)

As for the Warm-Up Enrichments, I used the graph (which granted, is only a guideline) from page 73 of the same User Guide, as a base. It basically shows the following:

-40 = 65
-30 = 56
-20 = 49
-10 = 41
0 = 35
10 = 29
20 = 25
30 = 20
40 = 17
50 = 11
60 = 8
70 = 4
80 = 0
90 = 0
100 = 0
110 = 1
120 = 2
130 = 4
140 = 6
150 = 9

I also set the timing to what the original tune was (that being 14 degrees).

With that, she fired up.

I then modified the IOT so she'd idle well.

Then I adjusted the VE via driveability. Here's what I did for that (with the timing backed way off to a very safe level - no more than 26 degrees at full advance):

We have a long stretch of straight highway (about 6 miles), so in fifth gear holding at a steady 40 mph, I backed off the fuel until I could feel a decrease in power, then bumped it back up a couple percent. I increased speed 5 mph and did it again. I repeated this process all the way up to 80 mph, incrementing 5 mph at a time; all in top gear.

THEN....:) I went back and holding the brake enough to hold the same speed, I would tip in to the throttle to find any dead spots, all the way to full throttle. This tip in to full throttle wouldn't take more than 1 or 2 seconds, since any dead spots were very apparent. If/when I found a dead spot, I would add or subtract fuel to clear the spot. Then move up 5 mph and do it again.

Then came the timing:
I bumped up the timing in the same manner, however not as aggresively. :) The one part I did NOT like was causing the engine to ping once, so I knew what it sounded like. I wasn't sure I could hear it, and if I did, what it would sound like over the side pipes.

Side notes:

- remember I'm NA so pinging for a second isn't as much of a concern as it would be for a boosted mo-mo.

- I plan to get her on the dyno in addition to the O2 sensor hooked up.

- I'll post an update once I have one.

- With about 375 BHP in a 2200 lb car, I'm pulling down a steady 24 mpg...if I keep my foot out of it. :)

I hope you find that this works as well for you as it's worked for me. The car drives wonderfully, cold or hot. And honestly, I think I'm a little on the rich side (enough to smell, not enough to see [black smoke]).

- Stan


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 Post subject: Re: Latest Tune : 2003 Mach I with Headers & Stack FI
PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:43 pm 
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I would have zeroed the temp compensations until after the VE table was tuned in at a target warmed up temp. I'm tuning methanol, so I'm not sure with your case, but your temp compensation numbers seem very high.

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 Post subject: Re: Latest Tune : 2003 Mach I with Headers & Stack FI
PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:29 pm 
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AlkyV6 wrote:
I would have zeroed the temp compensations until after the VE table was tuned in at a target warmed up temp. I'm tuning methanol, so I'm not sure with your case, but your temp compensation numbers seem very high.


Really? Why? Assuming the temp compensations are a constant, the VE table is relative.


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 Post subject: Re: Latest Tune : 2003 Mach I with Headers & Stack FI
PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:09 pm 
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Let's say you tune in the VE table at a consistent warmed temp. Let's say 90C. Your compensation table shows 0 compensation at 90C. That would be expected.
Now at 70C you have 4% more fuel. How have you confirmed that 4% is really necessary at 70C? Then at 60C you have twice as much. 8%? That's a lot of fuel. If it runs fine with all the extra fuel then fine.
My compensation table works just fine with 0 from 30 to 80C. At 20C I have 1%. Maybe that's just the difference between running alcohol and gasoline. Still, it seems like a lot of fuel from just 90 to 70C.

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